[Drewster]

Hello Tuneland,

I've been reviewing the topics and posts on the site for the past couple of weeks and this is my first post on the forum.

Just before I found Tuneland I was feeling very frustrated and disappointed with the sound of my system, especially since I have in recent months purchased some very expensive (for me) componentry. My system had no life in it, and I had lost my desire to listen. It was boring! My will to live was gone.

Reading the posts on Tuneland I realized that I may have damped my system to death. So I decided I had nothing to lose and began stripping it down. I removed the covers of my amp, preamp and cd player, and to do so I had to remove the VPI bricks. I cut all the wire ties in the amp (there were about 30) and cd player. I noticed the sound opening up. I then loosened screws on the chassis and boards of the components, and removed the Marigo tuning dots on the boards, cd transport and speaker panels. Getting more better.... Then finally I removed the power conditioner and got a cheap power strip and cracked the screws and loosened the screws in the wall outlet.

Now.....

IT"S ALIIIIVE!! (It's pronounced Fronk-en-SHTINE)

Unfortunately, so is the room. Lots of reverberation. The only tuning I have in the room are corner tunes (which I always have to explain to new guests).

But I am hearing my music in a new way right now. I'm ready to explore what's possible in my listening room.

I have a few room issues, since I rent and plan on moving after my lease is up next spring.

I will list my current system below and post room dimensions and some photos in a day or so.

Parasound HCA 2200 amp (hi current, 220wpc)
Lamm LL2 Deluxe tubed preamp
Philips 963 cd/sacd/dvd upsampling player
Eminent Technology LFT IV planar bipole speakers
Dayton Wright sealed box passive subwoofers
Audioquest Sky interconnects
Audioquest pure silver DBS cable to ETs
Harmonic Technology Melody Lines to DWs
Steel 5-tier rack w/MDF shelves
BDR cones and pucks
TeknaSonic vibration platform under preamp
Shunyata entry level power cables on preamp and cd
Marigo power cable on amp


Looking forward to trying new ideas!

Regards,

Drewster
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Drewster

[cdimi]

Tuneland


Drewster


Hello fellow crazy guy It took me months to decide to jump in,your tuning before your first post.....your on the hate list


Get us some pics of your room ....the rest is easy.
Once again welcome.Your going to freak on how much more there is
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Analogy Guy

[Jim Bookhard]

Hi Drewster,

Welcome to TuneLand. Sounds like you've been busy discovering that the methods of the Tune do in fact work. What you are now experiencing is the sonic "opening up" of your room and system. The "reverberation" you are now hearing is simply the uncontrolled natural harmonics of the room which Michael will help you get under control, along with the rest of your system.

We'll look for your photos. Just send them to info@michaelgreenaudio.com and they will get posted here on your thread. As well as photos, if you could, please provide a diagram of your listening room space showing dimensions. The diagram does not have to be to scale. Also, can you give us a list of the construction materials of your walls, floor and ceiling, etc.? Knowing these details will be helpful in guiding you with controlling your room.

Again, welcome to TuneLand and congratulations on taking your first step by starting your own thread.
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[Drewster]

cdimi,

It helped a lot to read the various threads in which Tunees, yourself included, went through a transformation that included giving up their attachment to their components and their ideas about audiophilia and good sound. You guys blazed the trail, I'm just gliding in your tracks.

Not that it was easy for me to give up my attachment to my system and my beliefs about how all this stuff should work, though. But reading the posts helped me to see that I was attached to the wrong thing -- the equipment not the sound. I also resisted the "aesthetics" of tuning a system and room. Still do, actually, but I'm willing to explore.

Michael's ideas about the flow of energy in a system make intuitive sense to me, and the explanations of various concepts and approaches by Michael, Jim, Bill and other Tunees are clear and at a level I can understand. Hey, if this forum didn't exist, I'd still be stuck with lifeless sound and wouldn't be listening much.

My hope is to have sound so great that I can't even imagine it right now.


Jim,

Thanks for the welcome. Is there a fax number to send a diagram?

The walls are (I believe) drywall painted with flat,mediocre quality paint. I don't know what material the ceiling is. The floor is wood. It creaks. My apartment is on the third floor of a three story L-shaped apartment building. The building was built in the 40's, I would guess.

I'll email a bunch of pictures. I know you guys like lots of information. I may overdo it with all the pictures i'm sending. Oh well.


Drewster

[Bill Wilkins]

Hello Drewster,

Welcome to Tuneland. All of us here are ready to help you get the unbelievable sound you are looking for.

You can fax your information to 989-345-7040 and I will make sure that it gets to Jim and Michael.

[cdimi]

Drewster


I know what you mean about aesthetics....when I 1st started I wanted to keep my 53 inch tv etc....for movies and great stereo.As you learn how the tune works and possibilities of exploration,well the tv ,carpet,couches all gone.The frontiers are endless.I never wanted or thought I could go this far....it's easy and well ...looks will change once it becomes your creation

If you think you got frankenstein to be alive.....now imagine him ,playing pictures at an exhibition on a grand piano ....soufllees in the oven ...tap dancing and rubbing his head and tummy at the same time.All this naked of course.that's what alive means in these parts
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Analogy Guy

[Jim Bookhard]

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[cdimi]

Drewster


Your really on your way Do not take apart your components to a point of no return....in case you want to sell them.
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Analogy Guy

[Michael Green]

Hi Drewster,

I am so thrilled to see you on TuneLand and to read your comments. I think the most important thing a serious listener can do is read these testimonials. Here's why. There is something about tuning that speaks the truth loud and clear and that is the story of the others who have walked before you and who have cleared the road for you to take a step into a world that goes so far beyond the high end audiophile belief. We all have the same goal deep down inside. That goal is to reach a point where the music becomes real (truly real) to us. There is nothing quite like that once you hear it. Those who have found it and others who are on their journey to finding it know that TuneLand is never going to leave them and in fact are excited about sharing in the success that only tuning can bring.

You know the steps to take already and we will explore these steps with you and these listeners who will become your listening friends here will not lead you into a false world, but instead are about to lead you into bliss.

You know this question is going to come your way so let me go ahead and ask it. Drewster, do you want to take your existing system as far as it can go or do you want a tunable system right from the start? There is not a soul on TuneLand who has made the change who is not dying to ask you this question. Believe me, if you wish to stay with what you have, it is totally cool with us. But, if you know that deep down inside you want go through what Cooter, Xavier, Cdimi, Hiend1, GARP, TomD, Doug, Bill, Jim, and the list goes on and on, did, let us know where you stand with this. Here's why, and all these guys will tell you this. There is a level of sound you can get with tuning high end, but there is a world far beyond this when you have a system that is built to tune from the beginning. This world may never be able to be put into words strong enough to convey the transformation until you actually go through it for yourself. Either way, we are totally dedicated to your system and you as a listener and will do everything in our power to help you get to your dream.

Let us know where you are at and your comfort levels as to doing a whole tunable system or if you want to convert yours as far as you can. This way, we can be sure to help you where you are and not where we necessarily want you to be. If you would like me to prescribe a system for you, just give a shout and I will be happy to do so.

Most of all, we are so glad that TuneLand has become your home and we want you to feel at home as much as possible.

Have a great time.


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702 368 7550
info@michaelgreenaudio.com

[Drewster]

Hello Michael,

To answer the burning question first: I am completely capable of going whole hog with a tunable system. That said, I want to get some experience with tuning first so I hear how it can work for me.

Testimonials are great. In my experience trying different tweaks and components, I learned that my taste, perceptions, listening skills and preferences may differ from others. Testimonials will get me interested, but usually I listen before I commit. So I would initially like to hear what tuning makes possible starting with my existing system. I don't like to do cannonballs into the pool without knowing the temperature of the water. That's just me.

I am open to recommendations on what would be a good, efficient and inexpensive start to my tuning experience. I was thinking about RoomTune products (one concern I have is that my apartment is a rental which I don't expect to stay in beyond next spring -- I'd prefer not to install anything on the walls or ceiling that cannot be removed without leaving evidence of its attachment), your speaker wire, component placement adjustments and magic wood and perhaps other component tuning approaches. Are my cd player and preamp top tuning candidates? I realize my amp is hopelessly untunable.

Now, I have also been thinking about a tunable system to replace my existing one, so I am very interested in what you would recommend, Michael. I've surfed the internet a bit looking at the components you have recommended to Tunees and for other potential tunable components. Like many of the Tunees who have taken this step, I would finance my new system with the sale of my present system.

One big disappointment I have is that there is no place in Chicago I can go to actually hear a tunable system and experience this new world you guys are talking about. I imagine when tuning becomes widely accepted by the audio industry, that won't be an issue. For me, hearing is believing.

I am excited about getting started exploring The Tune.